PBI Weapons

how much do denixs go for diesel? was looking at the same option myself

I haven`t managed to find the website with the Sterling L2A3 conversion on it, I think there was a link on assuck but as I`m banned I can` get access (believe it was in the chop shop section). Damn shame as it looked piss easy. I can`t understand why you would need a milling machine etc. to make an airsoft Sten as the real one was a bag of pipes, cheap and cheerful. I`d have a crack at it but I haven`t got a spare gearbox to wrap it around...plus the Mrs has got me painting and decorating, oh the joy

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And of course manufacturing RIFS is now covered by the VCR act

you certainly know how to bring a man down

how much do denixs go for diesel? was looking at the same option myself

i think they're about £125 at the moment. the only place i could find had a shipment on order, but they'd not arrived yet.

Or buy 10 for £50.37 each
http://www.hill-interiors.com/product_list.asp?cat=69

had a search through acsuk there was one thread but was more asking advice. and has this link in it

http://pic5.piczo.com/dk-stormtrooper/?g=25476575

which talks about making a prop one and requires alot of metal work!

however the thread has the right idea. AK gearbox and motor. mp5 magwell and hop. custom length barrel. then its just a case of getting the body dimensions right, fitting the magwell on and fitting the bits inside so the line up.

Incredible, Amazing what you can do with a dremel, a bench drill and a smeg load of patience!

Why would you need a spring based bolt like a sten gun on a 'laser' blaster,... or a magazine for that matter! hehe

Blimey, thats very detailed, the one I found before was 5 or 6 photos, although very informative. If I remember rightly it was on a website of a HK team which had a modern Brit impression, they used Academy L85`s but one member had made the L2a3....wish I`d bookmarked it now

There's a guy in the US who has made a Stirling copy, detailed on Arnies - informative but a lot of fab'ing required

Tom Andrews made an excellent mk2 Sten some years ago - used to be on Elite's website but can't find it now.

It was based around a famas g/box, as it was a similar shape to the Sten receiver and had the remote trigger linkage, and car exhaust tubing.
A stick battery was used in the T-stock - a wardrobe 'rail' worked best as it was strong but a thin enough wall to allow the stick battery to slide in comfortably.
The hop was just a conventional unit turned through 90degrees, although that resulted in the bb's spinning off to the right after any distance. I'd discussed with him the idea of having the hop set to zero and using a TK 'rifled' barrel instead which Tom seem to think would work, although our own Herr Kermit believed that it wouldn't - a bit of R&D required maybe ??
Mag-wise Tom fab'd some up, although personally I would use MP40 mags, as
a) they're cheap
b) they're the right size, as they were cross-designed
c) you can have a Sten and MP40 and just invest in one set of mags !

If someone can designed a mk2 'kit', put my name down !!!!

I'll be using mild steel. useless as a real gun, but much harder than ally, which I hate working with as it's like plasticine on a lathe.

Yes, mild steel is most definately the way to go!

Its what we used at school in metalworking so I have a very small amount of experience with it.

I'd discussed with him the idea of having the hop set to zero and using a TK 'rifled' barrel instead which Tom seem to think would work, although our own Herr Kermit believed that it wouldn't - a bit of R&D required maybe ??

Sorry to burst the bubble guys, but I've been doing some reading and I'm under the impression that the rifling in a TK barrel doesn't actually impart any spin on the BB. Taken from this page:

http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/index.php?showtopic=62787

"Yeah, essentially what they did was design the barrel so that it allowed air to space evenly around the BB while pushing it out of the gun, giving it a straighter path of flight, but no real range or power increase. Supposed to give you tighter groupings within your gun's effective range." - post #3.

"Just to clear it up, the barrel does not force a spin on the BB similar to what happens in a rifled barrel." - post #5.

So it would seem that the TK barrel idea won't work

Surely the spin that such rifling would put on the BB would cancel the effect of the hup unit? Side spin would cause the BB to go right or left... Barrel rifling is designed to make a real bullet which is prodominantly cylindrical (where is touches the inside of the barrel) to stop it from tumbling through the air, and to counteract the rotational moment of the earth spinning. As BBs are symmetrical on all axes, aerodynamics aren't an issue.. hence why the hup unit only puts backspin on the ball.

How about a fixd hop?

like the ealry no4s have

would that work as i canoly imagine its a much smaller item to install than a variable hop

Limits your range though. they have them in things like the TM shotguns. while they work fine your limited a bit.

But on a sten anything more thna 30 metres range is unrealisitc anyway!

You need hop on to use the TK barrel. I have one in my AK.

If the bb was heading off to one side its probable that the hop rubber wasn't in straight.

Webby - yes you would be right, if the TK barrels acted like a genuinely rifled barrel. As BB's do fly straight like they would through any smoothbore barrel, it certainly suggests that the rifling doesn nothing to impart spin of any kind on the ball...

Gadge - I'm not sure how a fixed hop would be any easier to manufacture. But I've wondered if you could bodge a TM armalite hop unit to accept BB's from the side. My idea was to cut off the feed tube as close to the hop unit as possible, and then smooth off what's left. The original feed hole would need to be filled with something (possibly plasticard? Not sure at this stage). Then, you would drill a hole through the side of the hop unit at 90 degrees to the original, and cut a curve into what's left of the hop feed tube so that it sits flush against the hop unit itself.

From there, you would need to bodge together a piece of tubing to sit between the feed tube and the magazine.

The only thing I'm concerned about is the internal space inside a Sten body. Would there be enough clearance to fit the unit inside the gun? In addition, as hicap mags are gravity fed, it would only be able to fire the BB's it has in the mechanism before running into trouble. All the more reason for someone to fabricate locaps

I've made up some crude pictures to show my idea, incase it's easier to understand by seeing it.

Now, assuming you get the cut just right and it's in the right place, there shouldn't be any tappet-plate related feed issues. Do a good enough job of sealing the unit up and hopefully there won't be any air leakage issues.

Does anyone have suggestions on how the original feed hole could be plugged?

miliputt perhaps?

as major said earlier modifying the hop for side feeds, fairly easy. just a case of fitting it all in right so the mag hooks up in the right spot. I may try it with a patchett first as that has more room for things, then do a sten.

best bets to use mid caps anyway. you can chop a thompson one to fit in a sten mag so im told

As a side note does anyone have a denix smle they can measure for me please? im after the depth/height of the stock where the trigger is. to see how feasable it would be to dremel it so a mp001 action would fit in.

cheers

That should work fine.

Maybe it would be easier with a plastic hop up unit like an AK one. Those armalite hop-ups are a BIG PILE OF CRAP... They are prone to unwinding.

If using a plastic one then chop the front off the unit and then turn and glue back on. Use putty on the outside to add extra strength.

schmitty used a AK one for his sten. and did as yith said. then stuck some brass tube over the outside and epoxied it in place